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with nbc sports live extra. i'm getting ready. are you? x1 will change the way you experience nbcuniversal's coverage of the rio olympic games. call or go online today to switch to x1. all right. here we go on this monday afternoon. great to be with you. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. as the only republican candidate still standing, donald trump is poised to win tomorrow's primaries in nebraska and the head to head challenge is this week, thursday. that's when the presumed republican nominee dow to speak with house speaker paul ryan. paul ryan rocked the political
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world when he said he's not ready to support donald trump for president. he broke that news with jake tapper a couple of days ago but mr. trump strongest supporters are apparently ready to play hard ball. former vice presidential candidate sarah palin says she will work to unseat speaker ryan in wisconsin. here's what she told jake tapper on "state of the union." >> his political career is over. but for a miracle. because he's so disrespected the will of the people. and, yeah. as the leader of the gop, the convention, certainly, he is to remain neutral and for him to already come out and say who he will not support was not a wise decision of his. >> ryan told a milwaukee paper to step down as chairman of the republican national convention if trump asked. by the way, we are talking to one of the reporter who is talked to him in mere minutes to see the headlines of that meeting. trump hasn't made the request.
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let's be clear. and today he also distanced himself from palin's threat. but donald trump did remind republican leaders of what his unprecedented nomination really means. >> i've received more votes than any person ever to run in the republican primary. so, i have people that i'm representing. they're unbelievable people. they're loyal, smart. they're sharp. they're tired of being abused, tired of not having increases in their wages for 18 years. so i represent a very important group of people and a powerful group of people. these people have to be treated with respect. >> let me bring in cnn political director david chalian in washington. nice the see you, sir. we will get to some of your notes. >> nice to see you. >> ahe of this trump-ryan meeting on thursday but to donald trump said and point over and over of millions of votes from americans and should be treated well and hear paul ryan
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talk about the party is not unified and why not have the establishment republicans come to him? >> well, listen. some of them are. right? i mean, we have seen bob dole, others who have been resistant to get on the trump train and coming around to him. but listen. this is not about who's holding their line and -- the party if it wants to win the white house back after the obama years is going to have to find a way to come together or they're going to put themselves in a really tough chance of winning the white house. donald trump knows that. paul ryan knows that. and listen. donald trump is right that he has those voters but he also knows otherwise he wouldn't be meeting with paul ryan that he does need to bring some more of the republican base on board with him. this is a bruising nomination season. we saw this party really stretching itself at the seams and potentially coming apart several times throughout this process. we talked about it all season
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long. >> right. >> it should be no surprise it can't just flip a switch and sing kumbaya. it takes time and both sides need a unified party. >> pre-kumbaya moment, let's hone in on this meeting between speaker ryan and donald trump this thursday. we asked you to come up with sort of three specific areas where these two men really don't see eye to eye, beginning with trump's plan on taxing the wealthy. recently he clarified. not putting more taxes on the wealthy but more than others under his plan. walk me through this. >> right. so immediately he caused some concern and conservative circles sounding like he was walking away from the notion to raise taxes on the wealthy he is working on twitter, new day this morning to clarify that saying no, no, no. this is an aggressive negotiating position and indeed if i have to cut their taxes by a little less than i was planning, then they're going to pay a little more and he said
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again moments ago on twitter that the wealthiest americans are going to pay less in taxes. guess what. tryinging to clean this up with the republicans, brooke, the clinton campaign had a conference call immediately with top advisers to hillary clinton to sort of slam donald trump saying he is doing more for millionaires and billionaires than any presidential candidate in history an trying to clean up and the republicans unified he is taking it from the left on hillary clinton. another -- yeah. sorry. go ahead. >> minimum wage? >> yeah. exactly. donald trump has been in a couple different places on minimum wage, whether or not he believes there should be a state issue and not something for the federal government to deal with or maybe open to raising the federal minimum wage. paul ryan is clear in the past he doesn't want to see an increase in the federal minimum wage and an economic area where they do not get along. >> and finally, and this is something we know that paul ryan spoke about that is, you know,
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against his core personal beliefs, this ban on muslims. >> right. which donald trump asserted that proposal's going nowhere and expects to put it in place in the first 100 days in office if elected and don't see a way to come to terms on this policy prescription and to me paul ryan speak about this after donald trump proposed it he broadened out out about tone over all and i think that's part of the conversation on thursday, as well. folks on capitol hill want to make sure that paul ryan and donald trump have a common understanding of tone and tenor of the campaign forward beyond just the policy prescriptions. >> do you think that paul ryan will have suggestions for donald trump as far as how he should move forward tone-wise? >> i think they probably as paul ryan said today to a local newspaper in wisconsin, get to know each other better, find out where they're coming from and not suggesting paul ryan has suggestions for him but a better understanding of where he is coming from and when the rhetoric is heated at least
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there's a relationship with each other. >> interesting. all eyes on thursday. thank you so much. >> sure, thank you. >> i'm sure we'll be talking through the week. meantime, minutes after drrn heard paul ryan he was not supporting his candidacy trump called this man. he called republican national committee chair reince priebus and will be at trump's meeting with the house speaker so let's bring in cnn's global economic analyst who's also assistant managing editor at "time" and strategist supporting mr. trump and kevin sheridan with us again. former rnc spokesman. welcome to all of you. >> thank you. >> and, boris, let's turn to you. we know, all right, we had an idea friday ryan and trump but now we know reince priebus part of the big meeting on thursday. how do you think his presence might alter the dynamic of this meeting? >> i think it's a positive.
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reince was hesitant and stayed neutral throughout the process. he ran the debates. you saw him speaking before each debate and having great candidates. be respect. once it was clear that donald trump is presumptive nominee, reince tweeting within minutes i think once ted cruz dropped out saying let's coalesce behind donald trump. it's a positive that the chair of the rnc will be at the meeting. between paul ryan and very respectful and donald trump who's looking forward to the meeting. >> kevin, to you, someone that worked as chief coms for paul ryan when he was on the mitt romney ticket a couple of years ago, you are the perfect person to ask, as well, is there a possibility that come thursday, who knows what these gentlemen will all discuss, that paul ryan walks away thinking, there's no way i can support this man for president? >> i don't think i'm ready to speculate exactly how the outcome of this meeting will be determined but i think they
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should both go into it with good intentions. you know? i think it would be nice to hear donald trump say that he does want conservative support. he does want the help of the house, you know, caucus and speaker of the house and i think if, you know, paul ryan goes in with an understanding that, obviously, donald trump has, you know, he has 10 million votes and got an important constituency but the policies might not ever align perfectly there could be common ground to reach. and we'll see how, you know, that meeting goes. we'll see, you know, reports back from it. reince priebus being in it, close with paul ryan, as well. and he's played a pretty neutral part so far, a good job at the rnc and donald trump is respects him so i think it could be a good meeting. >> okay. potentially a good meeting. today what trump said about debt. "new day." roll the clip.
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>> if we can buy back government debt at a discount, if we are liquid enough as a country we should do that. in other words, buy back debt at a discount. people said i want to buy debt and default on debt. they're crazy. this is the united states government. first of all, you never have to default because you print the money. you print the money. i hate to tell you. there's never a default. >> i know what you will say. there are people in the country that say, that makes total sense. we print the money. why not? >> yeah. >> explain why not. >> okay. here's why not. the u.s. government runs a federal deficit. we have to keep issuing debt just to pay down the debt. if you have worries about the u.s. government defaulting, borrowing costs go up. we have a historical precedent of how much it costs taxpayers. in 1979 because of a brief bookkeeping problem, if you can believe it, the software had a glitch and we ended up delaying
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a debt payment of $120 million for a little while. that cost u.s. taxpayers $12 billion. >> oh! >> over time because the costs went up. that's what we're talking about. printing money. that's crazy. >> watching your face. >> hold on. >> disagree. >> the printing money is a side comment, right? not going to default. that's what we could do. the main point does make a lot of sense saying we won't default but buy back the debt and lower yield debt and something both of us know from business is good practice. if you can lower the rate on debt, why wouldn't you do so? want to do it on your house? why not as a country? >> i got to respectfully disagree. the corporate bond market, joung bond logic is not the same. the u.s. is the federal -- the currency of last resort, it is a reserve currency. any kind of shakiness about u.s. ability to pay back its debt, any kind of worry about that can
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cause all kinds of ripple effects. it is impossible to say that you can apply this logic for a junk bond deal to the federal government and debt. >> and i respectfully disagree in turn. from the trump perspective if you as a country saying we have an opportunity to lower the rates, not saying we can't pay, you can pay but you take advantage of a good opportunity just like you would in a business deal. we're a foreign relations deal, anything. >> you say a business deal. kevin, you know, even though you're in washington, you're a third of this whole thing and what i'm wondering is unlike so many others who sat in the oval office, this is a man with boardroom experience. everything is negotiable. he's, you know, one would say flip flopping. one could say he's flexible. how do you see this? >> he's given himself an out card on virtually any policy and say that was just a negotiating position i was starting out with. >> do you buy that? >> well -- it's not for me to buy. it's for -- we'll see if he can
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get away with that over time. it does put him in a unique position. >> being very -- smart man. i know kevin. >> walking a thin line here. i'm really enjoying it from my perspective. this is great. i love it. completely seriously. >> continue, kevin. we're with you. >> yeah. he's in a unique position. he occupies a space that no other modern-day poll sirn does. and he's aaron to get away with more things and than most and that's just another one of them. >> okay. kevin, well done. well done. we'll tuk you all later on this week. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> important to explain where he is on the positions. next, paul ryan responding to trump saying he might remove the speaker of the house from the convention. the man who has the gavel, talking to the man that interviews the speaker at the center of this civil war. also ahead, donald trump said hillary clinton enabled, that was the word, enabled bill clinton's infidelity.
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there's tape that showed trump had a different opinion not long ago. also, it is a picture that has everyone talking. have you seen this? west point cadets have gone through a tremendous four years there. in new york. raising their fists. what were they trying to say? i can tell you they're being investigated if that's the right word. did they break the rules? we'll speak live with a captain of the u.s. air force, one of few african-american women to have graduated there. her perspective coming up.
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interviewed speaker ryan today. excited to talk to you. welcome. >> hey, thank you for having me. >> the headline, we mentioned it, what did speaker ryan say about, we know he's meeting with mr. trump this thursday and whether he wants him as the cochair of the convention. the guy with the gavel. what did he say about that? >> we asked him very specifically whether he would step down as chairman of the convention if donald trump asked him to and he said, you know, donald trump is the nominee and his convention. i'll do whatever he asks of me. which is i think kind of newsworthy. a lot of people, of course, now on twitter thinking that's almost an invitation for donald trump to disinvite him from taking part in it. so yeah. that was pretty newsworthy. >> not kind of. it's very newsworthy and just curious since you were sitting and looking at him face to face,
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his tone when he answered that. >> you know, he seems to be in good spirits. he was here over the weekend spending time with his family, with his wife for mother's day and i think very relaxed. upset he didn't watch "game of thrones" and it's dvr'd and seems to be in good spirits. not depress eed and he was laughing and joking along. >> i'm glad to hear he's not completely caught up on "game of thrones." i got more questions for you maybe more germane to where we are politically. so also, we know that ryan is very close with mitt romney for obvious reasons and so mitt romney that's a name floated as a potential, you know, third party candidate. what exactly did he say about the thoughts of a third party candida candidacy? >> well, i started to ask the question. mitt romney's been in the news lately and before i could finish the question he said, you know, i think a third party canadidac
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is a disaster for the party. he wouldn't support any third party candidate. i said, well, you know, you remember at the very beginning of all of this when we thought that mitt romney might actually run along with, you know, 17 other people that ran, paul ryan said he would have endorsed him. i said even if mitt romney is the kand candidate? he said not even if mitt romney is the candidate. >> before you go, he did give donald trump credit. for what exactly? >> he gave him credit for winning the, you know, the nomination. he said it's been a tough slog. he's been through a lot. and he also said that donald trump would have a better supreme court nominee than merritt garland. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. great get. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. coming up next, the graduation photo that's prompting an investigation now at west point.
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a group of female cadets posing with fists in the air, generating all kinds of backlash. why some say it goes too far. what do you think? you be the judge here. fight for women voters is heating up. moments from now, hillary clinton is taking her pitch to virginia. will she respond to donald trump's latest attacks saying she enabled her husband's infidelity? stay tuned. ifor all the wrong reasons.gical you may be muddling through allergies.
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16 seniors at west point academy, young, black, female
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cadets and now under investigation. let me show you the photo. here's the ladies. participating in a west point tradition for seniors to take a photo in front of the campus building and if you look closely here, you see the ladies posing with the clinched fists lifted in the air. critics quick to point out they're evoking the black lives moment and in violation of rules and supporters say, hold on, that's not at all what's happening. women are just standing united. with me now, captain bryant, a former combat vet in the air force, 2006 graduate of the air force academy and head of university recruiting at twitter and learning the controversy she tweeted more like hash tag black girl magic to me. ladies, stay strong. captain bryant, you recently met some of the ladies and getting to the threads and first of all, thank you so much for the service and thanks for joining me.
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>> thank you, brooke. >> so -- >> happy to be here. >> this is personal for you on a multitude of levels beginning with the fact that, you know, even with you at air force, what? you were one of eight young, black women in that class, six of whom who graduated and you know what it feels like to be underrepresented as an institution like this. >> absolutely, brooke. you know, when i started at the air force academy in 2002, there were eight black females and six made it to graduation in 2006. so walk across the stage and so when i first saw the photo, i was not only proud, but i actually looked at the photo and said, wow, what an accomplishment that in the photo it's 16 of the 18 black females in this year's graduating class at west point to make it through and have that type of success. >> did you even notice the fists at first? or, was it more just the shear number of women, black women
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graduating? >> so, i will say that to an unfamiliar eye, not familiar with the, you know, the academy's culture, one could, you know associate that with aligning with a cause or political movement but remember, brooke, we're talking about the top 1% and they've been through four years of leadership training, academic training, physical and mental train sog they know what they're doing. and they know the rules and the regulations. i don't think that this was any type of political view or movement. but i do understand the academy taking a look at, you know, the photo and maybe having a conversation. could it perhaps have been a poor lapse in judgment? perhaps. but enough to prevent these women from graduating on may 21st? i don't think so. >> what do you think, if that is even a question after they have endured the rigors of west point for four years, what do you think they must be feeling
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knowing that even that the slimmest of chances that they can't walk? >> you know, not only -- i can't imagine what they're feeling but their families. remember, also, this isn't just about them going through this for four years but families. the families and friends that have made arrangements and have been supporting them for the four years to know that this is in limbo, you know, i really just hope that west point will have -- will expedite their investigation and not prolong it to prevent the women from celebrating not only with their peers and classmates but their families of this great accomplishment. and we really should focus on that. 18 women will -- 18 black women graduating in west point's class this year. two or three classes behind me at the air force academy, three black females. when my friends and i have been talking about this, this morning and over the weekend, we were more focused on the numbers and this is something that they should be proud of. >> interesting. captain bryant, thank you so
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much. appreciate you. >> thanks, brooke. >> thank you. next here, breaking news in the war on terror. one of the world's biggest targets taken out. we have a live report from the pentagon, next. ♪ [female narrator] you listen when your body says: "i'm tired." or, "i'm hungry." what if your body said something else might be wrong? gynecologic cancers - cervical, ovarian and uterine cancers - have symptoms. so pay attention. if your body says something may be wrong.... please listen if it goes on for two weeks, see a doctor,
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just past bottom of the hour. we have some breaking news in the war against isis. we are getting word that a key leader of the terror group in iraq has been killed. let's bring in barbara starr at the pentagon. barbara starr, tell me about him. >> reporter: good afternoon, brooke. the pentagon announcing it believes it was successful with an air strike a few days ago killing a terrorist in iraq. this happened west of baghdad.
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wahib leader of isis operations in anbar province west of baghdad where isis is fairly well dug in, targeted and killed, the pentagon said, traveling in a vehicle with three others. one of the things that makes this so interesting, wahib reported dead a number of times before but those strikes, obviously, not successful because he has always come back so there's a little caution here but they do believe the strike was successful. a very serious bad guy said to be responsible for a number of very deadly isis operations in that area. brooke? >> barbara starr, thank you so much for that. >> reporter: sure. on the trail today,hillhill taking a fight for the white house directly to the swing state of virginia. this afternoon, she looks ahead to a general election matchup likely against donald trump, moments from now, he is due to meet with a group of suburban women, voters. see them around a coffee shop in the county of loudon, virginia,
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outside of washington. her meeting a couple of days after trump called her an enabler of her husband's infi l infidelity. >> she is married to a man, a worst abuser of women in the history of politics. she is married to a man who hurt many women and hillary, if you look and see and study, hillary hurt many women. the women he abused. she's married to a man who got impeached for lying. >> let's parse through this with juana summers and christine matthews. christine advices republicans how to attract women voters. ladies, welcome. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. so, let me set some more sound up here. today with chris cuomo, trump was on and doubled down on the earlier comments about secretary clinton. here he was. >> she's playing the woman's
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card to the hilt. she's going -- i mean, i watched over the weekend. everything is about woman and donald trump raised his voice and that, you know, it's all nonsense. you know what? women understand it better than anybody. and watch how well i do with women when it counts, when the election comes. watch how well. nobody respects women more than donald trump. i'm going to take -- i will be better for women by a big factor than hillary clinton who frankly i don't even think will be good to women. >> all right. so, christine, to you first. do you think this is a good strategy to talk to women? >> well, you know, donald trump has said plenty about women. it would be nice if he talked to women as human beings with some ideas about what he would do taking them forward and not generalities. and so, you know, i think when you move into territory when you criticize hillary clinton about her marriage, about her looks,
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her stamina, it's really risky. >> yes. i have this number. according to a gallup poll last month, 7 in 10 women voters unfavorable view of donald trump and, christine, staying with you, you say topics of foreign policy, terrorism could turn republicans toward hillary clinton. how could she turn, you know, states like this blue? >> yeah. it's interesting. your set-up was in loudon county, virginia. i have done plenty of focus groups with women in loudon county, virginia. the most important concern is national security and terrorism. she is smart to use the trade loose cannon. if she can say, listen, you may not like me but i'm stable, i'm not me cure yal, i'll keep you safe, he doesn't know what he is doing, i think she has some opportunities and i think she has to acknowledge she's not going to win them over in terms of them liking her. but if they think that she is
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more reasoned, more stable, keep them safe she has an argument there. >> you know, she said the loose cannon thing four different times in that interview with anderson cooper last week. obviously a line they hope sticks with voters. mean while, juana, we dig into the vault. back to 2008, you know, we played what mr. trump has said about, you know, former secretary of state and former president's marriage and here's what he said after bill clinton's affair and impeachment. >> look at the trouble bill clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant and they tried to impeach him which was nonsense and yet bush got us into this horrible war with lies by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction. by saying all sorts of things that turned out knnot to be tru >> do words not matter in politics? across the aisle here. >> brooke, this is a tough one.
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we have seen time and time again that the traditional laws of political gravity for some people reason don't apply to donald trump and i think statements like that and playing the statement, whether the statements on abortion rights, on gay marriage or like you played why some people and i think back toing on this, iowa, don't see donald trump as a consistent conservative. i think if we see a general election matchup of a donald trump and a hillary clinton, you will be hearing statements like that played back again and again and again and donald trump forced whether he likes it or not to confront his own words and square up what he said eight years ago with what he's saying on the road today staring down the general election. >> here's some more sound and also donald trump recent saying women have it easier than men. here he was. >> only the men, petrified to speak to women anymore. the get it better than we do, folks. all right? they get it better than we do. >> as a woman, christine, what do you think about that? >> okay. that's just not the way to go
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that women have it so great and, you know, they have it better than men. he was speaking to men in that particular segment. no woman will believe that they have got it so great. you know, the one thing that trump organization seems to say confronted with his record on women is, oh, promoted the strong women, women managers, good track record. maybe it's time for him to step back and put the women forward, you know, wouldn't hurt in terms of testimonial. in 2012, a strongest ad for mitt romney was the women he appointed to the administrations speaking out on his behalf. so that's something i think they should consider probably and he should consider being more quiet. >> and then the binders full of women, it's tough. let's go now to loudon county, to virginia. hillary clinton sitting in on this coffee shop. >> heard of obvious, maybe even
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typical responses. but i'm trying to get a much broader view about what will work. these are issues that i have worked on for a really long time going back to my own life as a mother, a daughter, and some of the challenges there. but also, in the work that i have done for the children's defense fund and other ways of trying to figure out how we have a more cohesive and frankly welcoming set of expectations and supports for families in today's world. because it's just harder i think, just my take. i mean, i think costs are greater. everything from commuting time to feeling like if you take that vacation day, you're going to be viewed as slacking off. i mean, there's just cultural as well as economic and structural challenges. so i'm just very interested in
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hearing what all of you might have to say and then i've got a couple of people with me who have worked with me for a long time and thankfully are still helping me. >> hillary clinton again speaking at a coffeeshop trying to address women. christine was talking about the issues women care about. national security there. juana, what more does hillary clinton need to do to specifically attract women to her side? >> we talked about donald trump's numbers looking at women and both of the candidates in the general if they have a general election matchup don't have great favorability numbers. they're some of the most disliked -- >> since early '90s. >> there's work to be done for women but across the board as we're heading towards what could be a really interesting matchup. >> ladies, thank you so much. we'll continue that conversation through november. it is an important one.
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donald trump about to get a major crash course on the state of the world and possibly get his hands on some classified information at the very same time as is tradition the white house says it expects intelligence officials to brief trump if and when he is named the official nominee. >> they are committed to fulfilling the spirit of this bipartisan or even nonpartisan cooperation when it comes to sensitive national security issues. at the same time, they also will carry out those activities consistent with their understanding about treating this information sensitively. >> joining me now, phil mudd,
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cnn counter terrorism official. good to see you, sir. >> thank you. >> you did this for secretary of state john kerry when he was running some years ago. >> yes. >> what kind of information exactly do they become privy to? >> there's a couple of stages. you have to think through. the first stage at the end is november and someone actually wins, democrat, republican, they typically will receive access to the family jewels. in other words, they get the same presidential brief that president obama will be getting in the final months of his term. before that, after the conventions with nominees of both parties they get an initial security brief and that will not get into the kind of detail that a candidate, a president-elect, will see in november. for example, what we call sources and methods. what the cia is doing in syria, for example, would not bepart of that initial briefing cycle. more high-end briefings on things like china, north korea, iran, brooke. >> that's what they would get,
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the latter half of what you said? >> that's right. >> we have heard some folks including senator murphy opposing this. he said, quote, trump wouldn't think twice of taking classified information and putting it in the public realm to serve his political purposes. do you think that's fair? this is how it works. each and every four years. >> no. i don't think that's fair. this is the way the game works. the white house looking at the cia and other intelligence agencies and say the american people have spoken through republican and democratic primaries. regardless of who the american people choose, those candidates have the right to receive equal accessed information. if it later turns out someone can't handle that information revealing it, deal with it. front end, you deal with it like every other president and people in texas to talk to president-elect bush. people went down to little rock, arkansas. i suggest the white house will authorize after the conventions briefings for whomever wins. >> and then finally on equal
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access, obviously, it's presuming hillary clinton is the nominee on the democratic side, will she have the same sort of briefings or up to speed on so much of this as a former secretary of state? >> she will have the same briefings. the way it works is white house is going to be careful about stripting this. for example, there's categories of information or subjects that will be appropriate for conversation. they will tell the transition teams you can't go outside those lines. you can't start asking about other stuff that might, for example, relate to political campaigns. north korea, iran, fair game and both sides get the same kind of briefing and high level before there's a president-elect in november. >> makes sense. fair. thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up next, photographs seen publicly for the very first time take us behind the scenes of an administration in crisis. president bush in the moments after the september 11th terrorist attacks. we'll talk to the man behind the
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who could forget the seen here showing president bush's reaction to the news that a second plane hit the world trade center on 9/11/2001? the enormity of that moment, the hours that followed were captured by the president's white house photographer and now some of the extraordinary pictures he took an one shot you see the president here drafting remarks he would give to the nation from the florida grade school he was visiting as the attack unfolded. another image shows the president consoled on air force one. photographer eric draper is good enough to join me. eric draper, i have always wanted the talk to, you know, a white house photographer. you were former chief white house photographer.
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and just welcome to you and for people who don't understand, i mean, the function of your job, are you essentially attached to the president's hip through his time in office? >> yes. that's basically correct. you know, access is everything. and president bush trusted my presence and the job of the white house photographer is a visual archive of the administration, including official and nonofficial events so i was definitely the president's shadow for all eight years. >> wow. and little would you know, little would any of us know waking up that tuesday how our world would change and the photo hone in on you, lieutenant colonel cindy wright from the white house military office on board air force one, with a right arm sort of around the president's neck. can you tell me about that moment and was the president weeping? >> well, no. the president wasn't crying at that moment. this occurred approximately -- it was late afternoon and we'd actually learned that we can
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return to washington and so, everyone was, you know, relieved that we were heading home and the day was already hours long and cindy wright, wonderful woman, a white house nurse, and she -- she supporting everyone. and i miss her a lot but yeah. that was just a very intimate moment when she walked up and tried to comfort the president on a very, very hard day. >> on that hard day, can you remember just as you were behind the lens just the tensest moment? >> well, the entire day was tense for me. just learning that was really happening, i mean, you might remember the words that andy card watched and i watched that happen and i didn't know what was going on until i walked into the hold room and saw the live pictures of the burning towers and i knew it was going to be a big day and i -- i had to basically -- i was on autopilot basically but i was also human
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and very tough and very, very intense day and there are days that were very, very intense where the president was basically so focused on his job that didn't matter where i was in the room. i could be right in front of his face and he didn't care. >> quickly, when did you fully absorb you had a front row seat in one of the worst days of our nation's history? >> you know, it took a while. you know? it took a while to comprehend that day and to process what actually happened. and it wasn't until we were headed home, actually, and as we approached air force one approached andrews air force base and we saw the f-18s flying right next to the wing and off the left side of the plane and the right side of the plane we can see the smoke still burning from the pentagon. that was also attacked. and i knew at that point that we
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were at war. >> we were, indeed. we are. eric draper, thank you so much for the archive and for taking the time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me on this monday. donald trump is poised to win tomorrow's primaries both nebraska and west virginia. head to head challenge is this week, thursday. when the presumed republican nominee due to meet with house speaker paul ryan. speaker ryan rocked the political world saying he's not quite ready to support donald trump for president and talking to jake tapper last week. today, the speaker told a milwaukee newspaper he would step down as the chairman of the republican national convention if trump were to ask him to do so. by the way, trump has not done that. he did remind republican leaders
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of what his unprecedented rise means. >> i have received more votes than any person ever to run in the republican primary. so, i have people that i'm representing. they're unbelievable people. they're loyal. they're smart. they're sharp. they're tired of being abused. they're tired of not having increases in their wages for a period of 18 years. so i represent a very important group of people and a powerful group of people. these people have to be treated with respect. >> cnn political reporter sarah murray is with me now, all eyes on thursday and this meeting or sounds like meetings. tell me what you know about this. >> i think this is a big day because donald trump's campaign while doing outreach on the hill, they haven't done a lot with leadership and paul ryan saying he's not quite ready to support donald trump. and so they're going to meet at the rnc. reince priebus is helping to facilitate the meeting. he is close to paul ryan and also has a decent working
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relationship with trump at this point but i think what we are hearing from both sides is these two guys don't really know each other very well at all. they haven't been in a room and talked about, okay, here's what i stand for. is there common ground and i think it's interesting to see if they come out of that meeting saying we found a couple of things we're on the same page on or now we have met and going the separate ways. >> i was talking last hour with a reporter in the room with speaker ryan and part of the milwaukee sentinel and asked about donald trump, very close. a name floated as a potential third party candidate and what did speaker ryan say to that? >> this would be a disaster. >> that's his word? >> a disaster and telling that to people, as well, too. it is clear it is not pushing the narrative of a third party alternative. there's never trump folks still hoping for that and, look. it might be a matter of a couple of more months to come around. either accept or just resign themselves to the fact that you
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get your two choices here. you will have a democrat, a republican. we'll see if someone can cobble together an independent bid and they feel like this would be very damaging. >> thursday meeting is very big. sarah murray, talking about it. thank you so much for setting it up. on the campaign trail, donald trump has spoken about, you know, banning muslims. use ed vulgarity and comments about his anatomy. when a proposal is called a shocker, this's saying a lot. has to do with the u.s. debt. remember, investors and governments worldwide count on u.s. treasuries as the ultimate in safety. they're considered as close to a risk-free investment as you can get. that's why the u.s. can borrow at such low interest rates. here's what donald trump said today about debt on "new day." >> i said if we can buy back government debt at a discount, in other words, if interest rates go up and we can buy bonds
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back at a discount, if we are liquid enough as a country, we should do that. in other words, we can buy back debt at a discount. >> with me now, cnn international anchor of "quest means business," richard quest and peter morecci at university of maryland. welcome to both of you. >> so -- >> good to be with you. >> he clarified what he was actually meaning. brooke, he's not talking -- donald trump is not talking about going out and doing a debt negotiation. he is talking about that scenario where interest rates have risen naturally or whatever. debt, u.s. government debt has fallen. he would then get the treasury to buy back the debt that was at a higher price. they're already doing a bit of that anyway and proper debt management but this is a dangerous heresy because the
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loose way in which he is speaking is exactly the criticism that people make about his candidacy. >> i knew you wanted to jump in on that. peter, to you, you know, it sounds like trump is suggesting that the full faith and credit of the u.s. is subject to negotiation. it's a businessman's perspective. do you think that's acceptable? >> certainly the full faith and credit is not negotiable. if interest rates rise as we expect them they will in more normal economic situations, then debt issued last several years will have a market value below the face value and possible to issue new bonds and buy back the old bonds and reduce the level of the capital level or the actual indebtedness of the united states. the interest that we pay on the debt would stay the same. what we need to avoid is having a cavalier view of what we owe. although we print the world's money and we can't go bankrupt
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or fail, we can always print more money to pay off our debts unlike greece or any other country in the world. >> whoa, whoa, whoa. that's what he is saying but isn't the result inflation? >> i was getting that. >> okay. >> the trouble with that is that you essentially will create inflation. and you will create a situation people want higher interest rates on the debt an it will spin out of control. the reality is the united states has more latitude with debt than almost any country in the world but that latitude is not infinite and trump needs to be careful about what he says. the problem is just about every issue he doesn't have knowledgeable experts. he is kind of like a sophomore getting up in class and espouses what he thinks on a subject and it is about 60% correct. >> hmm. did you want to jump in? >> i mean, peter's summed it up elegantly. this is exactly the issue. that you have got with this debt thing. there's one other point. peter, all right, so you --
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interest rates go up and you're going to buy back some of the other debt. but the u.s. government is already in a negative debt situation so you're going to have to issue more debt, the higher interest rates to pay back the other debt. i mean, this idea of just issuing debt to pay back other debt which is -- which they're doing with notes and bills as you're well aware, it's simplistic, its beauty is simplicity and also its danger. >> oh, absolutely. but governments do this all the time. so do corporations. it is as you said at the beginning of this process or this interview, is that that's prudent debt management. when's dangerous here is the notion that somehow or other donald trump through his businessman's accuman and wizardry relieve the u.s. debt and that's the annual interest
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payments. we pay interest on the stuff. if the interest rate on the debt goes up, even if you buy back the old debt at a discount, you're paying just as much interest and at the rate of going with the borrowing, we are paying a lot of interest by mid next decade and neither party's presidential candidates have been willing to address that. and that is a very serious problem. >> let me move on because that's one issue. the other issue we have heard, we have heard a number of candidates talking about the minimum wage and hillary clinton's first interview after donald trump is -- you laugh but it's so important. trump believes wages are too high and then now trump is breaking with republican party which is significant! >> well, the reality is the minimum wage is a fact of life. if the federal government doesn't have a minimum wage, most states will. and so, you know, economists might not like it or conservatives like them to have
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but where should they be set? i think that they should be set at a local rate, that is vary depending on the locality. the highest the minimum wage to my knowledge in terms of 2015 dollars is about $10.20 an hour back in the '60s. that's about 40% of the average wage in the united states. i would be very comfortable with the notion that since the bureau of labor statistics computes the average wage in the county in the united states that we then set the minimum in that county at 40%. that would permit, for example, manhattan and san francisco and the cost of living much higher -- >> right, right, right. >> -- to pay a lot more. >> you wanted to jump in i see. >> yes. lord maynard said i change my mind when the facts change. donald trump is saying i've
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changed my mind. the difficulty here is you do expect to go in to an election with a candidate which you know -- >> with a solid -- right. >> by all means -- >> i'm flexible, everything is negotiable. >> change your mind when the facts change. >> but not that. >> but the facts haven't changed on the minimum wage argument. he has changed his mind. and the danger here is that the electorate is entitled to say, well, what else are you going to change your mind on a whim or a view or the facts changing? that's the significance of this change of mind. of course everybody changes their minds when the facts change. >> right, right. no. it's an excellent point and something to think about heading in in november. richard quest, my friend, thank you. >> peter morici, thank you, as well. >> thank you. next, just in, the speaker of the house paul ryan responding to donald trump saying he might remove ryan from the convention in cleveland ahead of their highly anticipated meeting this week.
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watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for being with me. sarah palin is making waves here in the fight between donald trump and republicans who refuse to -- those who refuse to get behind him. she's squarely in trump's corner. make no mistake about it and had this to say about the speaker of the house of representatives paul ryan and the refusal to endorse the presumed nominee thus far. >> i think paul ryan is soon to be cantored as in eric cantor. the political career is over but for a miracle because he's so disrespected the will of the people. >> eric cantor, you know who he is. stunning re-election defeat sent shock waves through washington.
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christine allescia sat down with eric cantor and talked about donald trump. >> yes. >> spill it. >> it was a kind of surreal moment. i didn't think he was going to endorse him or say he would support him but he did and this is the ultimate establishment guy who's basically saying, if he becomes the nominee i'll support him and i asked him specifically why. and he said, basically, anything's better than hillary. i don't even -- i'm not sure what his policies are and asked him about foreign policy and his policy on big business. take a listen. >> there's certainly alarm and who knows what donald trump's foreign policy's going to be? right? i mean he gave a speech the otherdy and the title was only the thing i took from it, america first. what does that mean? what does that mean in terms of our obligations around the world? and i've always been of the opinion that if if america
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doesn't stand up for free trade, for the regular international norms in terms of conducting commercial transactions, and be there as a military power to make sure that the bad actors of the world know that there are consequences for crossing the line with america. >> so what is donald trump telling wall street? >> that's the thing. no one knows. he is on every side of issues. again, it goes back to sort of my sense of what our obligation is as americans. we got to participate in this democracy and speak out to help influence where the policies end up. >> so he's saying, basically, we want a seat at the table and shape the policies we know what they are and the striking language that cantor used which is, america's obligations around the world, that is what has got the business community really nervous because when donald trump's talking about america first, what he's saying is, perhaps he's willing to
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renegotiate trade deals. now, if that happens, that will put our commercial business at risk overseas and potentially impact the economy and the average person adversely and that is what wall street, that's what the c-suite and the guys are worried about so now you have the big money donors telling me behind closed doors they're not publicly coming out against trump but they're going to take their money and focus on the down ballot. making sure that the -- that the republicans keep control of the house and the senate. and that's where the money will go. >> interesting. former leader cantor, thank you so much for sharing this. >> thank you. >> as we mentioned, house speaker paul ryan and donald trump, they will be meeting this thursday. in a moment that could determine the future of trump's campaign, the future of the republican party or perhaps both. let me bring in two of my favorite ladies, dana bash and
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nia-maleka henderson. a couple of headlines out of this meeting with paul ryan with a columnist i spoke with, specifically the notion of if donald trump, dana bash, if donald trump asks speaker ryan to step down, you know, with his gavel, come cleveland, he'll do it. what? >> that's right. you know what? i feel like you remember the vh1 show "pop-up video"? >> of course. >> something pops up with what's really going on and the pop-up video would be like please, please, don't make me do that. >> good. >> but in all seriousness, you know, i don't know that there's an expectation from paul ryan to say anything different. if donald trump says i don't want you, what will he do? say, no, i demand to be the convention chair. it's not like it's a pleasant experience. it's not like it's easy anyway
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but less pleasant experience there. but actually, my takeaway from the interview that paul ryan did today with the hometown paper was that he seems to be cooling things down a little bit. you know? >> how do you mean? >> i just feel like in a couple of different ways he tried to say, look. i get that donald trump did an amazing thing here and -- >> gave him credit. >> gave him credit for it and next sentence is not pretend there's not a divide here and try to close. >> unify. >> i really -- i think that not just him but also trump this morning on "new day" said some things like he was blind sided and we'll see what happens. >> what about also what he said about mitt romney and mitt romney is a name floated as a potential third party candidate and he said a dysaster. >> that's right. he is saying, no.
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if you flash back, there was also this idea that paul ryan is a white knight and somebody rescue the party from donald trump and he might be able to be that figure at a contested convention. we all know that there's not a contested convention and paul ryan saying that the person who should be the face of the party is the person that wins and that's donald trump. so yeah. in some ways not a surprise that he said it's a disaster and most republicans know that it would be a disaster in terms of probably splitting off some of that vote and certainly handing the white house to hillary clinton. but a lot of republicans also think that all of these disaffected never trump republicans have to have some sort of vehicle for their votes and some kind of shell for what they think is going to be the republican party post-trump. but yeah. i think it's a great interview. the other thing that's striking about paul ryan is him saying he didn't know donald trump that well. he's almost framing this thursday summit --
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>> get to know you. >> yeah. get to know you. >> i agree. >> certainly calming down some of the temperatures asda that talked about. >> okay. let's move from the trump-ryan meeting to a visual if i may. hillary clinton, she is speaking today, still speaking loudon county, virginia, outside washington, d.c. to a bunch of women in the coffee shop. we saw the broader shot. maybe 25 people in the room. when will we ever see donald trump in an intimate setting such as this speaking to the people? dana, you laugh. i'm being serious. what's the pop-up video bubble for that? >> i don't know. i think we might have to wait longer for that pop-up video. he did some retailing and i emphasize some when he started to do not as well in some of the primary states. he did more of the traditional what we call in the biz off the record stops meaning it wasn't
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regular part of his schedule an he would stop and do a few things but certainly nothing, nothing like his opponents did, nothing like most modern-day candidates do. so i don't know. it's not his thing. it is not his strength. he is a performer and he does very well at the rallies and i have been to many, many of them where he kind of, you know, stokes the crowd and works off the crowd and kind of from a distance. so, i'm not sure that there's a llt of pressure on him to do that because i'm not sure people are really pining for it who support him. that could change. >> do you think, nia, an advantage to do that? dana's right. he says look at the crowds. you know? and that's really sort of a selling point i think for him and the supporters. but might there be an advantage in sitting in a quiet room with 20 people? >> you know, i think so. it would give a different side of him. we have seen some of that in the town halls we have had with his
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family, for instance. it would make him look more relatible. you have never seen him sitting at a table going back and forth with people in sort of a dinner table kind of setting, a restaurant type of setting. asda that said, he is a performer. and some ways you wonder if that takes the oxygen out of the room and take the wind out of the sails and i think hillary clinton making, you know, taking advantage of one of her strengths which is these town hall, these sort of town hall small settings and with women there and virginia. >> and, you know, just to add to that, as we're looking at the pictures, nia, you said relatible. that was the word coming to my mind because that is an important thing for hillary clinton to build upon, that she is somebody who people can kind of get the know and understand. it's also allows her if you look at her and can't hear her and just imagine it allows her to do what she does best and get a
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question and then just kind of expound on it based on the very deep policy background that she has across the board. . that's not donald trump's thing. >> may not need to. dana and nia, thank you both so much. political pop-up video. new show. see how that goes. thank you so much. coming up next, north carolina, this is big news today. north carolina's governor suing the feds over the so-called bathroom law that critics say discriminates against transgendered people. the attorney general is expected to hit back. we'll take the news conference live coming up.
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no meemt here now the department of justice will respond directly live pictures doj respond directly to north carolina's lawsuit over the sit's so-called bathroom law. filing the counter lawsuit against the state of north carolina. the doj gave the state until today to suspend or repeal the law that limits bathroom access for transgendered people but the governor is defending the law. speaking out moments ago, the governor demanded a federal court clarify anti-discrimination laws. >> we believe a court, rather than a federal agency, should tell our state, our nation and employers across the country what the law requires. and let me say something.
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our nation is one nation. especially when it comes to fighting discrimination which i support wholeheartedly. ultimately, i think it's time for the u.s. congress to bring clarity to our national anti-discrimination provisions under title vii and title ix. >> the governor also appealing for support of other states and seeing the numbers here, this is a cnn/orc poll suggesting there's an uphill battle. 57% nationwide oppose the law. supporting me is gloria brown marshall of john jay college of justice and a former civil rights attorney. nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> north carolina say it is doj about to respond. i have been printed in the hot hands, this is the lawsuit from the doj to hear about presumably
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from loretta lynch there in washington. to you first. what do you make of north carolina's response? >> i think north carolina's trying to buy time an figure it out. the governor's saying he doesn't understand how it affecting his government, his facilities and his government and nor the businesses and other private owners who have to decide how they're going to handle the bathroom. we're talking about a very basic thing, all human beings have to do. but we're also having to balance out the privacy and security, the safety of those transgendered people with the privacy, security and safety of the women who are in those bathrooms. >> is this an unprecedented law? is this a first of its kind there in north carolina? >> i think it's the first in north carolina but i'll tell you something. here's something similar in new york, especially upstate new york. you had fathers with little girls without a place to change them. so the closest i can think of is thinking, okay, do i take a
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little girl into the men's room or myself, a male, the father, into the women's room to change this little girl? and so, the issue was one that they said it was equality for men that they should be allowed to have a changing room and now they're all over the place. >> all over the place. >> you don't even think about that how that came about. >> let's take a quick commercial break. we're waiting to hear about the lawsuit from the doj back to the state of north carolina over the so-called discriminatory bathroom law. quick break. we're back after this.
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back to the breaking news here. department of justice, see the podium, watching and waiting to
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see the attorney general lynch address this law in north carolina, so the crux of this is basically the doj gave the state of north carolina until today, this is the deadline to suspend or repeal the law that would limit bathroom access for folks transgendered in the state of north carolina. we have heard from the governor of north carolina today. he is defending the law. and so, now we know that the department of justice has filed suit in reaction to the suit that the state of north carolina has filed. if you're with me. i'm lucky to have gloria brown marshall with me from john jay and we're talking about as we anticipate loretta lynch to speak so the issue was the doj said once this law was passed in north carolina you have to -- this is not okay. essentially. and north carolina said, yes, it is okay. we're defending what we believe the rights of the people of our great state. are you -- what is it now in this lawsuit and we have had two
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seconds to look through it, what is it that the doj will say? >> the doj will say you have the university of north carolina that university receives federal funds. you cannot discriminate receiving federal funds. you stop discriminating against transgendered people or we'll stop the federal funding and any state college -- >> a big deal. >> very big deal. it's how we have got them to change what it came down to women's sports and now to stop discriminating against people of color so that's a stick that's a heavy hitter. so north carolina then is responding by saying, well, let us think this over. we have a law and passed it for a reason and federalism issue with the balance of power between the states and the federal government and she will be as the federal government respect the state or the states say we know our people best and therefore we need to continue to, you know, separate the people and they go to the restrooms based on their birth
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gender. >> is there any -- i mean, seems like there's so much gray area but is there any negotiating or just sort of hard and fast and this is how north carolina feels and the doj is now saying and one or the other? >> i think there are two or three different ways to go. one, you can look at the unisex restrooms and those unisex restrooms popping up all over, and the changing room, the federal government filed against north carolina to have changing rooms that are based on the gender of identification and not just the gender of birth. so, you can have that changing room be a room for unisex, you know, use. you could also say that, you know, north carolina will give you a certain amount of time, maybe you need a year to retro fit some of these facilities that right now you don't have a place for, you know, a unisex restroom. the last would basically be trying to figure out how you're going to separate the men going
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into the women's restroom. i think that's a major issue and the phase in the transgender process the person funds themselves and might be frightening for a mother in walks someone who self identifies as or identifies as a female and looks like a male. >> stay with me. they're about 12 minutes late and going to the department of justice when the ag steps out there. hang tight. we're going to move on for now. back to politics here. thank you. with donald trump now at the top of the republican ticket, as the presumptive nominee and new report shows hispanics are rushing out to register to vote against him. and they're also lining up to apply for citizenship. if you picked up the houston chronicle this morning, monthly citizenship applications jumped between august and january by 65,000 people. a 15% spike. trump after all kicked off his campaign last summer by angering
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a lot of latinos calling some mexican immigrants rapists and drug dealers. he's also threatened to deport all illegal immigrants. mr. trump definitely managed to frustrate a lot of people but not my next guest, carlos limon supporting donald trump for president and an adviser to trump's national diversity coalition. carlos, welcome. >> hi, brooke. thank you for having me. >> you saw the numbers in hou houston chronicle this morning. the anger generated by candidate, they want to vote against him. they want citizenship. how do you respond to that? >> definitely. i'm mexican. born and raised. i read the article this morning. and just like them, i mean, they have the right to do what's best but i think mr. trump and them are being victims of the hispanic media. mexican media, this comes from mentixico and manipulated information. mr. trump, i met him a couple of weeks ago, and he's not the
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things that people say. >> hold on. are you saying the manipulated the numbers in the houston chronicle article are manipulated? >> we're mexicans and emotional. sitting on the couch watching mr. trump say his ideas and campaign, it didn't offend me. i knew exactly, you know, it took a very little common sense to figure out he doesn't believe all of us mexicans are criminals, rapists. but the media, the media especially mexican hispanic media here and in mexico they have a very, you know, it's very easy for them to play with those feelings. emotions. and to put just like them, they're a group and i know, you know, what you just report there's a lot of groups who are also registering to vote for him. like u.s, there's a beautiful thing. good group of people, different
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backgrounds and ethnicities. >> okay, okay, okay, okay. i'm kind of over people throwing the media under the bus whether it's the american media or the mexican media and i don't know if all his pa panics agree with you thinking they're emotional. john mccain in the senate a very long time. he spoke out recently and talking to my colleague about how he's nervous with trump at the top of the ticket because there's so many hispanics in the state of arizona, his home state. he's worried about his own re-election chances. here he was. >> i think that it's important that we understand the importance of the hispanic vote in america. many states, they throw -- in arizona, more than 50% of the kids in school are hispanic. after the 2012 election, as you know, we laid out a blueprint and part of it was outreach to the hispanic community. i think we all recognize that the republican party has to do that.
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>> so, carlos, i mean, this is someone when's been in washington a long time, a nation's hero, a prisoner of war. >> yes. >> to think he's worried about the re-election because of trump and hispanics running away from him. how would you respond to that? >> wow. well, i cannot compare knowledge or experience with mr. mccain. it's a delicate situation. i just try to bring 0 the big picture to the smaller one and it's self accountable. i kabt be in a situation to jeopardize my kids but at the end of the day, the law is common sense. you got to respect the law. >> okay. before i let you go, carlos, i want to throw up a photo on the screen. this is something happened last week but it's been everywhere over the weekend. i think it's still sort of in the bloodstream when mr. trump tweeted the picture of him eating out of a taco bull on
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cinco de mayo. i have to ask as a trump supporter, would you have advised him to do this? >> ah, well, the way i see it, he is just a guy who's having a taco bowl and marketing trump's grill. it didn't offend me. all of my friends, you know, having margaritas that night and tacos saying happy cinco de mayo and doesn't mean much to me. we live in a time where you are careful because you have, you know, the ability to offend the person next to you by doing anything. it doesn't mean anything to me. i'm a business owner. i have a couple of clients who are former employees from mr. trump. both hispanics and they never had anything wrong to say about him. he was a great boss. he's just dealing to -- he's used to deal with lot of people from different nationalities. >> okay, okay, carlos, thank you so much. your perspective is important as
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a hispanic and someone who supports donald trump. i appreciate that. >> thank you, brooke. we are watching a -- a couple of minutes and this, the city of ferguson, missouri, swearing in a new police chief, first black police chief of unrest that followed the fatal police shooting of michael brown. cnn sat down with this man saying he is ready to clean house if needed. we'll play that for you next. [woodworker] i live in the fine details.
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the city of ferguson, missouri, the flashpoint of civil unrest after the police killing of teenager michael brown, the city will swear in a new police chief today, the first african-american chief by the name of delrish moss. live pictures as they're getting ready to begin the official ceremony minutes from now. moss, who rose to the rank of major in miami's police force, has his work cut out for him. he will have to heal a fractured community. he will have to navigate a mostly white police department in charge of a majority black city. he must reform a troubled agency all under the watchful eye of the department of justice.
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and cnn's sara sidner sat down for a one-on-one interview with the new chief and joins me live on his thoughts and what he has ahead of him. you were there covering ferguson from the get. what did he say to you? >> reporter: he is a very interesting person because of his background. delrish moss is now taking over what is really one of the most scrutinized police departments in america. you alluded to the fact the department of justice is watching its every move so, is the community, and now he is the head of that, the first african-american to take the helm. he says he's uniquely qualified because of his past experiences at a black man in america with police, one of which included him as a teenager when a policeman stopped him, called him the "n" word, another time a policeman stopped and searched him with no probable cause. it's interesting that your initial experience was a negative one. >> yes. >> reporter: but instead of hating the police, you became a
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police officer. >> yeah, well, i have a grandmother who says you can't clean the house unless you're inside. and so i decided that if i wanted something done, if i wanted change in my neighborhood, i had to be a part of it. so i decided to become a police officer because i couldn't trust my neighborhood, my friends, my family to the police officers that i had met. i needed to be the person providing that service. >> reporter: will you have the strength to clean house if that's what's needed here in ferguson? >> i think so. i think one of the things that happens is i come from another community. i have no ties, really have no connection to the police department here. and so, you know, it's about the mission. and there is really nothing clouding my agenda. >> reporter: now, delrish moss was just about to retire, actually, from the miami police department. he's been through riots there in the '80s. there were several of them that he experienced as a young person and then also as a police
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officer. he says that also makes him qualified to try to take on a city that has gone through the same kinds of things. lastly, really interestingly, i asked him about michael brown, had he gone to the spot where michael brown was killed, the place that started all this, brooke, and he said, yes, i went there, and i want to be able to sit down with his parents to hear their side of the story. brooke? >> powerful. so glad you talked to him. we'll look for more on your interview on "the lead" in the next hour. we're still watching and waiting for the department of justice news conference to happen any moment now. should be hearing from the a.g., loretta lynch herself, responding to the law in north carolina regarding folks who are transgendered who want to use their appropriate restroom. the governor has defended the law. we're watching and waiting for the doj to respond with a lawsuit they have now filed. stay here.
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this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. it is a heated showdown. the obama administration versus the government of north carolina. the issue is complicated, but it does deal with transgender americans and their rights. any minute, we're going to hear from attorney general loretta lynch on this very divisive issue. on friday, the obama administration demanded that north carolina address what the justice department calls discrimination, pure and simple. this was a reference to the state's so-called bathroom law. the law would mean that transgender individuals would have to use public restrooms that correspond with the sex on their birth certificate, not with the gender with which they identify today. earlier today the governor of north carolina respondedo